Free Europe Discussion

Yes, you should keep the process going - there is a deficit of debate and popular participation in the EU and the sites like yours, just as Libertas in Ireland, act as the only catalysts for democratic participation. I would encourage you to start putting to popular vote separate article proposals for the new constitutional text.\r\n\r\nIrish vote last week was an example of one nation taking a stand for the entire Europe. However, as in the case of France and Holland before, the EU is now moving in the direction of ignoring the will of the Irish people. The EU institutions can be checked and counterbalanced in this process by exerting the power of people to demand change. This can be done only by, \r\n- first, stating clearly the will of the people (via referenda and direct participation with opinion outlets, like your site), and \r\n- second, by presenting viable alternatives to the defeated proposals. \r\n\r\nThe second objective can only be achieved by engaging people to devise an alternative set of proposed articles of the treaty.

We must have a referundum which hopefully,and almost certainly with finish this wretched busibess for once and all\r\n\r\n

The politicians of Europe are clearly not in the employ of the people of Europe. They keep asking the same question and we keep giving them the same answer: NO!
There is an agenda being played out behind the scenes which we must stop. What is at stake is freedom versus fascism.
The European Union is the most corrupt system ever devised and it must end.
So yes continue the work.

Yes, we must continue. The EU elite will try to find ways to reach their goal - the EU state. They will also, as they already have done, manipulate in order to make the content of the Lisbon treaty be law, step by step. So we must continue.

You must continue to provide this platform until any political treaty or constitution has been declared null and void. As long as European politicians intend to break their own laws and try to defeat the will of the people by continuing to ratify the treaty, you must show presence.

By Mark John and Ingrid Melander Reuters - Monday, June 16 02:32 pm

LUXEMBOURG (Reuters) - European Union foreign ministers vowed on Monday to keep the bloc's reform treaty alive despite its rejection by Irish voters, but said there could be no quick fixes.

WHICH BIT OF "NO" DO THESE PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND !!!!

Here's my option: Britain to cut all ties NOW with the EU before it's too late. They obviously do not understand democracy.

Yes, never give up!!!

Absolutely, the discussion is essential if only to show politicians they don't have a monopoly on asking questions nor framing the debate (although they ignore the answers when they don't like them).

However, rejecting EU centralism should not be an excuse for nationalism: during the Maastricht debate in France, the no-vote was entirely controlled by politicians who were not concerned with defending individual rights, but feared that their own prerogatives would be lifted to another level. Thus the battle was restricted to a discussion about the sauce with which citizens should be eaten, national or supranational.

We must all, throughout the EU, have a referendum asking
1) do we ratify the Lisbon Treaty
2) do we leave the EU

Politicians do not seem to have the courage to face up to the will of the public

We in the UK have never had the chance to express any opinions as all of the major parties seem to be in favour of the EU even though a policy of leaving the EU would likely be a source of vast public support

I think it is more important than ever that you keep the process going. The EU has shown its contempt for the member states by continuing with plans to ratify the treaty despite the no vote in Ireland. The signing of the treaty will reinforce their position.\r\n\r\nOur government is happy to ratify the treaty even though lip service is paid to the result of the Irish referendum.\r\n